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Ina Garten, empress of the kitchen, is the author of 10 cookbooks which have sold millions of copies over the years. From the best roast chicken to airy pavlovas, all of Ina’s recipes tell the same story: Good food brings people together. Armed with her cookbooks, you can figure out what to make for a simple weeknight dinner to a more elaborate gathering of friends.

But there’s one thing you definitely won’t find in any of her books: It turns out that Ina has very strong opinions about a certain controversial ingredient. In a recent interview on Vice’s podcast “Munchies,” Ina explains the ingredient you’ll never find in her cookbooks.

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